It used to be easy to sign up for travel cards. When you hear stories from just a few years ago, they seem unbelievable today. That’s because the banks figured out what we were up to, basically signing up for a bunch of cards to get the signup bonuses and canceling them before we’d ever had to pay an annual fee. FREE POINTS! As you could imagine, the banks didn’t like that very much, but it wasn’t until the price of giving away all these rewards points was high enough that they did anything about it.
Their response was to put in some rules on new card applications. These rules vary for each bank and are continually changing. One of the first of these restrictions people will encounter is Chase’s 5/24 rule.
At face value, it seems to be an easy rule to understand, but I still see constant questions online where people get confused about the details. What counts? What doesn’t? Why’d I get denied for a card? I’ll try to go over some of the most misunderstood parts of the 5/24 rule, explain what it means to you, and if you should care.
Chase’s 5/24 rule first surfaced in 2015 when people started getting denied for the Sapphire Preferred and Freedom cards. On the denial, the reason given was they had too many recent applications. While not written into any card application, through crowdsourcing in the points and miles community it was pieced together that the limit was 5 cards in the last 24 months. Thus the ‘5/24’ moniker was claimed.
While the rule was originally only for Chase’s proprietary cards that earn Ultimate Rewards, it began to creep throughout their entire co-brand card portfolio. In November 2018, the last remaining card not subject to the rule, the Hyatt credit card, stopped taking new applications and the 5/24 Rule became the law of the (Chase) land. Except for one small problem. This law isn’t written down anywhere.
Sure, there was a short time where a mention of it showed up on a card application but that was quickly removed. Now, you just need to know that it exists or run the chance of being tripped up by it when applying for a new card. Why Chase refuses to put this rule in writing is one of the mysteries of the points and miles universe. Everyone knows it exists, but there’s officially nothing to say that it does. But trust us, it does. Like a black hole. You can’t see it, but be sure that it’s there.
Eight Misunderstood Things About 5/24
I’ve only applied for one Chase card, why was I denied?
Chase doesn’t only count its cards when adding up how many cards you’ve signed up for in the last 24 months; they count cards from all banks (or at least all the cards that are showing up on your credit report). And now that credit bureaus update records almost instantly, it’s no longer possible to apply for multiple cards on the same day hoping to fly under the radar.
What’s the deal with business cards?
Business cards don’t show up on your personal credit report. Therefore they don’t count towards your 5/24 total. This and the fact that business cards open up a new world of signup bonuses is the most significant advantages to getting business credit cards (as long as you actually have a business).
I was denied a Chase Ink Business card for being over 5/24. I thought you said 5/24 doesn’t apply to business cards!
This is one of the biggest misunderstandings with 5/24.
- Applying for and getting approved for a business card from any bank does not increase your 5/24 count. If you’ve applied for 5 business cards in the past 24 months and no personal cards, your count is currently 0/24. Only personal cards will add to your 5/24 total.
- Chase looks at your personal card 5/24 status even when applying for one of its business cards. If you’re over 5/24 for personal card applications, then you are not going to be approved for a new Chase business card.
What personal cards count towards 5/24?
Wow, right to the difficult ones. OK, here goes. Any personal card that you can use anywhere counts. Like this one:
Which, if it didn’t count to 5/24 and if I were eligible for it, I’d apply for it just because.
This card also counts:
But please don’t sign up for the Starbucks Visa I don’t care how much you love your Triple Venti Mochaccino. And it’s a Chase card, so applications are subject to 5/24 anyway.
However, this card probably won’t count:
Since this card is only good at Home Depot stores, reports are that it will not count towards 5/24. However, if you get the Home Depot Mastercard, it will count.
I’m an authorized user on an account, does that count to 5/24?
Well, no, but yes. This is one of the reasons I hate adding authorized users to accounts.
When Chase’s computer algorithm is sorting through applications, one of the things they’re looking at is 5/24 status. When you’re an authorized user on an account, that account shows on your credit report unless you’ve already done the work to remove it.
So the initial computer screen by Chase will deny you if you’re over 5/24 including your authorized user accounts. It is possible to overcome this by calling Chase and speaking to a person. A credit analyst can review your application and take into consideration that on one of the accounts you are only an authorized user and decide if you should get a card. If two accounts are in question, the odds decrease tremendously.
You’re always better off if you can get automatically approved by the computer. The fewer phone calls the better.
What counts as 24 months? The date I applied for a card? My first bill?
Wow, you’re really anxious to get a new card, aren’t you?
Some reports show that you’re eligible for a card at the beginning of the 24th month while others show that you need to wait until the 1st of the month after 24 months have passed.
If it were me, I’d wait until the following month, but I’m willing to play the long game and not look for the easy scores.
I’ve read a bunch of ways to get around 5/24 online. Do they work?
It’s a popular hobby of bloggers to try and find ways around 5/24. At first, there were a few loopholes, but Chase has shut them down. The only way to bypass the rule is if you get a targeted offer on your Chase account online and even this comes with a bunch of caveats.
If it were me, I’d plan on not being able to apply for a Chase card if I was over 5/24.
I’m at 7/24, 9/24, LOL/24. Should I try to get under 5/24?
That depends on your situation. If you’re at 7/24 and 4 of your cards will drop off in a few months, it might make sense to wait. For example, if you can sign up for the Southwest personal and business card while under 5/24, you’ll be in a great position to get a Companion Pass. If that’s valuable to you, it makes sense to wait.
If you’re holding off on applications for another reason, like buying a house, then waiting a few months to get under 5/24 could make perfect sense. The same goes for if there are some Chase business cards you want to pick up. If you can get the Chase Ink Unlimited and the Ink Preferred while under 5/24, that’s a whole bunch of Ultimate Rewards in signup bonuses and earning potential for a long time down the road.
But if you’re already so far gone over 5/24, waiting doesn’t make sense. You probably know about cards you can get from other banks. Spend your time focusing on them and leave Chase to the rest of us. 🙂
On the surface, 5/24 seems like an easy concept to understand. However, there are many things that are confusing or even unknown because Chase refuses to put the policy in writing. These are eight of the major questions I’ve seen but there are many more which fall along the periphery.
I hope this helps to clear up some of the more common questions about Chase’s 5/24 rule. Feel free to leave any additional questions or tips in the comments section.
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